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on the country and overall questions about the fbi. >> the pentagon says it has uncovered 20 to 30,000 potentially inappropriate documents exchanged between general allen and kelley the woman's whose complaints first triggered the investigation that brought down petraeus. what about paula broadwell's role? late monday night with her consent federal agents served broadwell's home for hours, carting out boxes and bags as they are wrapping up their investigation. >> defense secretary leon panetta on route to australia was the first top administration official to comment on the petraeus departure. >> i think he took the right step, and i think it's important when you're director of the cia with all the challenges that face you, and have -- that personal integrity comes first and foremost. >> panetta a former cia director and the washington shuffle with panetta and clinton saying they want out of the second term. will john kerry now go to the pentagon? can susan rice be confirmed as secretary of state? and will nancy pelosi run for leader again? and what a welcome to washington the new
that now involved the cia, the fbi the pentagon, the white house, and congress. so much for nothing to distract from avoiding the fiscal cliff. >>> and recommend how president obama and mitt romney yukd yucked it up? the president had the last laugh. find out how he did it in today's deep dive. it's not how you think. good morning from washington. it's tuesday, november 13, 2012. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. right to my first read of the morning. just when you thought the petraeus story couldn't get more complicated and troubling. it did. lots of headlines to get to on this. another top military general linked to the scandal, marine general john allen, the top american and nato commander in afghanistan. according to a u.s. senior defense official the fbi uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails between the general and jill kelley. now kelley is the woman whose initial complaint to the fbi led to the discovery of evidence about the affair between general petraeus and his biographer paula broadwell. defense secretary panetta's comments on the scandal and hi
the white house out of the fray. >> he has faith in allen. and i would refer you to the pentagon for the process under way with regards to general allen. the president was certainly surprised when he was informed about the situation regarding general petraeus on thursday. he greatly appreciates general petraeus's remarkable service to his country. but he's not going to make grand decisions about things based on, you know, two situations, two individual cases. he's focused on the missions that the military is tasked with. >> let's look at all that's happened. the pentagon is combing through thousands of pages of documents belonging to john allen. he's denied any wrong doing. a u.s. official tells nbc news that the documents could connect general allen to jill kelley. she's the same woman whose original complaint about harassing e-mails set off the initial investigation. e-mails that multiple law enforcement sources tell nbc was traced back to this woman, paula broadwell. she's admitted to an affair with dvp dp. last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she sh
is now under investigation by the pentagon's inspector general for what officials described as potentially inappropriate e-mails with one of the women directly involved in the case. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has more on this ever-widening story. >> reporter: the scandal involving two very different women, tampa socialite jill kelley and petraeus biographer paul broadwell ensnared not only petraeus but his successor. john allen who took over from petraeus in afghanistan and is the president's choice to be supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe, a nomination now temporarily on hold. >> sweetheart, thank you for all that you have done for me and for our precious -- >> reporter: the general is married with a sterling record but on a flight to australia monday night aides to defense secretary leon panetta said there was a dramatic turn in the case. fbi investigators uncovered potentially inappropriate communications between the general and jill kelley, whom he and his wife got to know in tampa. and were reviewing between 20,000 and 30,00
their daily lives. >> the thing that was so strange to hear today was to watch the pentagon insist to reporters that there's nothing they know of that's untoward besides flirtation revealed in the e-mails between kelley and general allen. allen has had an absolutely star crossed tenure in afghanistan. he had scandal after scandal from the bails attacks that left 16 innocents dead to the koran burnings, to images coming out of marines urinating on a dead taliban militant, and he's been able to level with a lot of us in the press about the progress not really being as rapid as he would like, and you see this happen, to have allen swept up in all of this was kind of cataclysmic at the pentagon. a lot of us went to sleep thinking it was a scandal about general petraeus, and then suddenly allen is involved in it. it was absolutely surreal. >> and richard, one of the things that happened over the years, petraeus has been glorified by the media, it is not something i felt capable of contributing to since i don't know anything about the military, never having spent a day in it, but that do
to the pentagon, and the pentagon has ordered its own investigation. the married general allen denies an improper relationship with kelley. he's currently president obama's choice for supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe. that nomination is on hold. as nbc news reports the president learned of the problems on friday, the same day he accepted petraeus's resignation. that hasn't stopped the con spearary theorists over on fox news. >> who knew about the affair before the leak, and why didn't they speak up? >> the idea that obama would not be told by coincidence two or three days after the election absolutely beyond belief. >> you have to suspend disbelief. >> it appears that the white house is lying again just as it was lying about benghazi. >> how could the fbi pick up something like this in the spring and take months to figure it out? >> we're supposed to believe that an affair involving the hetd of the cia was never discuss. >> did the sex scandal influence benghazi? why president obama didn't know about it? so if he did know about it, there were months that went by. i mean, eric hol
said about this. he's a very respected figure, a former counsel to the pentagon, a former assistant attorney general. and he said, basically, assuming the news reports are right, the fbi might have had a duty to report its month-along investigation, related to security breaches, concerning the cia director, quite a while ago. the fbi investigation might have been primarily a law enforcement matter, until very recently, and thus not subject to reporting requirements. though it seems like any investigation into security breaches of the cia director's computer system or communications by definition implicates counterintelligence. david, i want to go back to you. you're speaking about how it goes up the chain of command within the intelligence bureaus. but a separate question, under the law, if we're serious about the law, and the fbi is supposed to be, there's a separate question over, as soon as this moves from being a criminal harassment investigation to an intelligence one, whether senator feinstein and others, as they've said, should have been informed. >> well, i think, clearly, t
, but the pentagon faces potentially critical budget cuts as congress prepares to take on deficit reduction in the fiscal cliff negotiations. retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs is an msnbc contributor and recipient of the medal of honor for his service in vietnam. it's a great honor to have you here. >> thank you. >> despite resigning, the plot keep thinkckening. >> there will continue to be disclowe schurs about what the affair was all about and how it was discovered and what role the fbi played and what role the white house played and the possibility of delaying the announcement. there will be plenty of speculation, but in terms of an effect on the cia, on the mission, i don't think it will have any affect whatsoever. it's a large organization with lots of missions. the man who is currently the acting director and very, very able. eventually he will be replaced and there will be somebody who will be nominated to take his place and petraeus' place, but the cia will carry on doing what it needs to do and being part of the overall intelligence apparatus of the american government. >> sure
in spending over the next ten years for the pentagon? what's a reasonable part of the deal for na? >> i think a reasonable one is actually about the amount in the sequestration. that's a little bit less than what the boles-simpson commission had. they had about $750 billion. if you take a salmi slice cut like the sequestration bill does, you will harm the military. if you're able to say, wait a moment, maybe we don't need quite as many submarines and we need a sensor system and you can change how we are to the systems we're procuring, then you're able to do this decrease in spending if you put it in the right capability. that's the enormous change that we have to have in our military. look, the navy dpom natuominate commons of the seas and the air force dominates the commons of the air. we have to dominate the commons of cyberspace. look what we did to iran. when we take down centrifuges that enrich the terrain yum. by one virus we stymied them for a while. imagine if we read everything out there and the other side knows that we can do that kind of damage. that is what is very difficult to br
the petraeus investigation started. the pentagon is looking at more than 20,000 pages of documents and e-mails between kelley and general allen. 20,000. officials tell the ap that some of the material was, quote, flirtatious. general allen denies having an affair with kelley, who we know was also friends with general petraeus. joining me now is michael isikoff, national investigative correspondent for nbc news. he's been breaking some of the big details on this case over the last few days. michael, first, thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> now, let me ask, general allen is now under investigation for his relationship with jill kelley. what can you tell us about the relationship and what can you tell us about miss kelley. >> we should say we don't know for sure. as you pointed out, the e-mails, these voluminous -- apparently voluminous e-mails describe a relationship or -- that appear to be flirtatious but, you know, potentially inappropriate is the word that was first used by the pentagon. but whether it goes more than that, we don't know. we do know tha
it was important to refer the matter to the pentagon's inpeck tore general. the senior defense official tells nbc news that panetta didn't make this decision lightly. secretary clinton acknowledged she has talked to u.s. partners about the allen case but says it won't harm the war effort. >> general allen is a distinguished marine and commander who has been an important part of the nato isap mission in afghanistan. there's been a lot of conversation, as you might expect, bob, but no concern whatsoever being expressed to us because the mission has been set forth. it is being carried out. >> the head of nato also told reporters today in brussels that he has full confidence in general allen. we are also learning more about the 20,000 to 30,000 documents that include some e-mails between general allen and the tampa socialite jill kelley which the pentagon calls potentially inappropriate communications. the fbi has characterized some of the e-mails as, quote, flirtatious. the general strongly denies any misconduct and the fbi has not found any wrongdoing. we're also learning more about kelley herself
pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski, petraeus himself wanted to do this and called his old colleagues at the cia and said, listen, i know they want to hear from me, i want to testify so they want to hear from him, he wants to testify so it's going to happen. it should be clarified here though, thomas, it won't be an open session. it'll be a closed session because obviously they'll be discussing classified information. >> pete, the other interesting thing we're just learning this new information about the e-mails between jill kelley and general allen and one source describing to nbc news that they were friendly, not so much of a sexual nature. we're talking about thousands of e-mails here but what more can you tell us? >> i don't think we know exactly how many e-mails there are because we've heard a wide range of numbers. it was apparently at least several hundred. what the upper end of that is i think we don't know. but, you know, people close to general allen are saying that he was just the kind of guy who would say, you know, if somebody gave him a compliment, thanks, sweetie, thank
to someone at the pentagon for them to look into. when jill kelley went to the fbi, her agent friend in june, to complain about all these e-mails she had both the ones sent to her, we know by paula broadwell as well as whatever e-mails sent to general allen and forwarded to her. she had that -- all those together. i think, andrea, it's fair to say in terms of investigations now, it's all but over for the fbi except for one last question and that is, was there some sort of a classified document violation on the part of paula broadwell? did she have access to things she shouldn't have or more likely was she improperly storing them on her personal computer and house. that's what the search on monday night was about. the people i've talked to say it doesn't appear to be anything major. i suppose the prosecutors in tampa could go either way on whether they want to pursue charges here. doesn't seem at this point like she had any truly significant danger to national security kind of documents sitting around her house. >> now, michael is ssy cover, w we know from our colleague jim at the pentagon, h
as an analyst at the pentagon and also michael vickers who is head of intelligence at the pentagon who has spent some time in the agency, and personally, as a former intelligence officer, myself, i'd very much like to see a professional intelligence officer occupy the post of dci. >> michael, certainly the scandal surrounding general petraeus has overshadowed his testimony on what happened in benghazi on september 11th, and this is what senator john mccain had to say over the weekend. take a listen. >> they said they wanted to not give classified assessment of what happened, because they didn't want to betray sources. well, if classified assessment changed the unclassified assessment, then why in the world would you keep that information from the american people? >> well, as we look back hindsight being 20/20, is this the modern espionage, classified and unclassified documents being released and going public to fit a political thenarrative? >> well, i don't know about the fitting a political narrative precisely, but analysis is a lot different from assumption. and these days, when there are so m
the top military commander in afghanistan is being investigated by the pentagon for having inappropriate communications with jill kelley, the woman who first blew the whistle on broadwell's threatening e-mails. oh, boy, here we go. good morning. i'm mika brzezinski, along with joe scarborough, this is "way too early," the show that receives on average about a dozen inappropriate communications from donny deutsch every day. >> every half hour. it's a long story. by the way, shirtless as well. we will talk about that. >> that's on a good day. thanks for being up with us. shoot us an e-mail or tweet u us and let us know why you're awake right now. or do what jill kelley's twin sister does and text the word awake followed by your response to 622639. we'll read the best responses later in the show. >> you kids make sure if your dad sends an e-mail, the shirt stays on. okay? seriously. i'm tired of looking at your dad's bare chest. >>> this will be your cram session for this tuesday, november 13th. there's a lot going on today. >> yeah. >> i mean a lot. including new speculation on who could b
far have found no evidence of anything highly classified. the pentagon suspended broadwell's security clearances and macdill air force base revoked jill kelley's pass to the base. >>> overseas now, fears of a new war in the middle east are on the rise after israelis took out the top military commander of hamas in a ferocious attack yesterday. and just this morning the first israeli fatalities of the renewed conflict, three people killed in rocket fire from the gaza strip. martin fletcher is live with the latest on this. martin, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, lynn. israel's army warned of dangerous days ahead. difficult days ahead. and they're already difficult enough. today israel is continuing its attacks on gaza, still targeting hamas militant leaders and in particular over the last 12, 16 hours attacking stockpiles of long range rockets that hamas has been building up in gaza. that's what israel says this is tack is all about. stopping hamas from the ability to attack israel with the rockets. they say they destroyed many of the long range rockets which can target cities a
administration an assessment of what this might entail. the pentagon says a u.s. military effort to seize syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons would require upward of 75,000 troops and "the times" reports that senior american officials are concerned that hezbollah has set up camp near the chemical weapons depose. the white house declined to comment. >>> four people were killed in texas when a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans. this is just terrible. it's an accident that happened at a railroad crossing in midland, texas, as the float tried to get around the safety gates and lights. the float was made with a flatbed trailer. in addition to the four deaths, there were 17 people injured. m midland's mayor reacted to the accident. >> this may be one of the most tragic events we've had in our town and it's a sad day. i shook their hands and saw them personally and met their wives. it truly was an honor to be in their presence. these guys are true american heroes. >> that's for sure. secretary of defense leon panetta issued a statement saying he's deeply saddened.
and other reporters, sent to the pentagon for an investigation because the flirtatious e-mails might indicate adulterous affairs. it's a government issue. >> if we never read about it, there would have been no problem. the reason it's catastrophic is because it was leaked. this is a story about leakage. >> it's bizarre. >> it's not an investigation into the leaking of classified documents. this was an investigation into half a dozen snarky e-mails. i am libertarian. you are individualistic about this. when the fbi was spying on the sexual activities of martin luther king and other activists, members of the supreme court, members of executive agencies was not that it was individually embarrassing for them, in violation of their personal dignity, politically, in a democracy, the kind of power that comes with that information is dangerous beyond, whatever indignity is on the individual. >> we are going keep a close eye on the private activities, the director of the cia. they have valuable information. there happens to be -- that is something that -- counter espionage is a fact of life,
the decorated veteran and former presidential candidate in charge at the pentagon and not at the state department, as had been widely speculated. "the washington post" is sourcing its reporting to unnamed senior administration officials. senator kerry is also not commenting tonight. if senator kerry does move to the cabinet for defense or any other post, there will be an immediate political question for the democrats as to what happens to his u.s. senate seat in massachusetts. senator kerry had mostly been talked about as a potential replacement for secretary of state hillary clinton. the post reporting tonight that that nomination for secretary of state is instead almost certain to go to united nations ambassador susan rice. republicans tried to make into a scandal susan rice's comments after the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. her comments that the attack was thought to be linked to islamist protests rather than an organized terrorist attack. but the administration and the intelligence committee have stepped up to defend her remarks that sunday. and if she is tapped by preside
. stay with me here. pentagon officials say there are 20, 30,000 pages of e-mails and documents between allen and jill kelley, the woman who report the she was receiving anonymous e e-mails that were determined to have come from paula broadwell. really? again? the most powerful military force in the world is being taken out by an inbox? really? what happened did you forget your myspace password? really? >> and general allen, 30,000 e-mails? what could you have possibly said in the last 29,990 others that you didn't say in the first ten. >> really? 30,000. where did you find the time? i eat breakfast, come to work, blink and it's time for the show. really? >> no wonder it took us so long to catch bin laden. these guys were probably waiting for him to check in on four square. really? >> really? and don't think you're getting off easy here jill kelley. you tell someone about weird e-mails you're getting and you don't think someone might check your e e-mails? really? it's the fbi. you dent think they are going to follow up? have you never watched an episode of any show ever? really? >> and
win. senior officials here at the pentagon have decided it will take new military leadership to do it. defense secretary robert gates mcmckiernan in afghanistan last week to break the bad news, but waited until today to announce it. >> i asked for the resignation of general david mckiernan. >> gates and obama relieving him of command. when they did that and relieved him of command as the lead american commander of the war in afghanistan, that was the first time since general truman fired douglas mcarthur during the korean war that a president relieved a four-star commanding general in the middle of the war he was leading. when president obama did that it was the first time in 58 years anything like that happened in this country, and then he did it again. after he fired the man who was running the war when he took office, the replacement general that president obama sent to lead the war thereafter was this guy, general stanley mcchrystal. there was a immediate contracult around him as around david petraeus. a year after general mcchrisle tal took command, he, too, was fired by presiden
. as painful as it may be, as difficult as it may be, the pentagon has to step up. they have to find ways to save money, too. and i think a lot of those on the left feel that we've gone too deep into education and other programs. let's make sure this is balanced from this point forward. >> senator, before we let you go, switching topics a bit, i assume that much of today's press conference or a lot of it, too much of it, will be preoccupied with the two co-stars of "you've got mail," general petraeus and paula broadwell, but it leads to a larger issue, many people think, and that is the repeated deployments of the american military to afghanistan following on iraq and the impact it has on service families left behind and the war itself, the lingering 12-year war. what's your view on all of this? >> mike, you put your finger on it. we ought to talk about the real cost of war. it is not just in dollar terms. it certainly includes the terrible loss of life, over 5,000 americans in iraq and afghanistan. it means those who came back with injuries and the impact on individuals and families afte
the fbi. >> the pentagon inspector general is now investigating now general john allen. top american commander in afghanistan. fbi has uncover between 20,000 and 30,000 documents. mostly e-mails sent between allen and this woman, jill kelley. a senior defense official tells msnbc that the e-mails were inappropriate. kelley was the target of paula broad we'll's e-mails. the associated press that broadwell thought of kelley as a romantic rival for petraeus affection. he was supposed to start the process this week to be the next commander of american forces in europe and supreme allied commander of nato, allen will remain commander in afghanistan. . >>> i don't even know where to begin. how does this happen? >> well, i don't know it happens. particularly in the digital age. the idea that people think that if you have thousands of e-mails that they're not going to be picked up and found out it's sort of amazing. what's most disturbing, this is a terrible time from a foreign policy standpoint to have petraeus out. scandals that are taking key players out of afghanistan, syrian discussions
-third of that, and maybe 300 or so. we have a large number of them in the pentagon and a lot of them are spending time writing plans and defending plans with congress and trying to get the money, because that is a full-time exercise. i think that we can do that with k colonels or somebody like me for example. >> and maybe call you back because of the surge shggestion. and now, secretary gates is upset about this treatment of the four-star generals. there is something about a sense of entitlement and great power that skews people's judgment, and that what gates was saying about the dynamic or the power bubble around four-star generals, and do you buy that? >> i do. it is not just in the military establishment, but it is true in business, and it is true everywhere. when you bring people, when they come up through the ranks, they sometimes forget where they were and it is very, very easy to justify in your own mind an exs excessive number and style of perk, because you have a great deal of responsibility. the fact of the matter is that people do forget and i don't think it is necessary.
or parallel gram which moves you on to a love pentagon. i don't think there's any way of knowing what would have been brought by that original tip. it's bringing down some pretty lofty careers. >> what do you think about the tension between the fbi and cia? this would seem to expose some sort of -- i mean we know they're often -- agencies are often in competition with one another or there's tension. this would seem to be exemplary of that, given the fact that the fbi was investigating the head of the cia and some question whether that was appropriate, who knew what, where, when and how? >> it doesn't appear that the fbi attempted to use any of this information as leverage against the cia, which is what you would be concerned about domestic and international spy agencies learning information about each other and using it to leverage each other, to, you know, to create more or less power within the government. they've now toppled the cia director. one thing we should remember in this discussion and, you know, you're reading that opinion piece before, the reason david petraeus doesn't have a j
in his cabinet, before bob gates in the pentagon for the better part of the first term. i think he wants to do that again. his instinct towards not necessarily to hagel, although i think he is under consideration for one of the jobs, but it's a good time for the reboot and i think we're going to see that happen. >> it's a complicated reboot, right? we knew that clinton was leaving, geithner wants to go, we heard panetta, those were gives. as tom friedman says -- the whole middle east erupts in one giant sound and light show of civil wars, states collapsing and refugee dislocations as the keystone of the region syria gets pulled under and the disorder across the neighborhood and you were worried about the fiscal cliff. >> governor? >> i think john is right about the personnel changes. this is the time. every administration goes through it. if you're re-elected you're going to have this turnover and this is the best time for it. we didn't want it before the election. john is right you don't want it five months down the road when your second term is under way. i want to terry a bit too, if
's a love pentagon. here is what's important on the public interest level. attorney general eric holder at a press conference today in new orleans to announce the biggest criminal settlement, the biggest criminal fines and resolution ever in american history against bp is asked about this soap opera in tampa regarding petraeus. and what he said is, look, there are a lot of things going on right now but the important thing is there was no breach of national security. if there had been a breach of national security, we would have taken this to the fbi -- the fbi would have taken this to the white house. they would have taken it to capitol hill. since there was none, we didn't feel like we had to share a criminal investigation. that's an important development. it's the first time he's spoken out on this. >> so there's nothing really there in terms of impact on the country's security. let me go to bart on the same question, the relationship between general petraeus and the reporter broadwell. you know, often times, and i guess in movies or in mellow drama you're used to the fact a report is
dozen or body heat or the year of living dangerously or the love pentagon or how paula got her groove back. something. we'll figure it out. but you get steve buscemi to play general petraeus. he's got the look and this way of giving you a deep inner sliminess. the paula broadwell role is so juicy. you know who has to win, angie jolie. the sex appeal, the toughness. can't you see the scenes of her and the general running through the mountains of afghanistan during which they find a cave and do some cardio. back at home we see the wife, holly petraeus, played by kathy bates. we get bruce willis to play general allen because his entrance makes the story even more bizarre. and to play jill kelley, the hot wife who unnerved the tough broadwell and made an fbi agent go mad and called the fbi launching the whole investigation i would would point back to her, we get, yep, kim kardashian. so what if she can't act. no one can resist her. a general is sending her thousands of e-mails, the sfib sending her shirtless photos, and who will play him, that fbi agent? that's a no-brainer. the situation
of the war on terror is prosecuted by the cia, to have someone from the pentagon with his background move over to the cia and head that was incredibly lucky for the country because there are few other people who could've made that change, survived moving from one tough bureaucracy to another and be such a great intellectual and forward-thinking person about how to protect the united states. >> the other part of this, obviously, is petraeus' legacy in afghanistan, and being the author of the book on counterinsurgency in a literal sense, to what extent was the implications of that doctrine of the policy decisions that he was part of running up to this are going to be ultimately much, much more important going forward than any -- i think than to go to john's point, who knows what this is. but right now, we should also be having a pretty healthy debate about when we switched from counterterror to counterinsurgency over there. >> yeah. >>> still ahead, newt gingrich also chair of the dnc debbie wasserman schultz, more "morning joe" in a moment. [ male announcer ] humana and walmart have teamed
thousands of e-mails to a second woman. it isn't just a triangle, it's a pentagon. that general down there, he is the top commander of our war in afghanistan. afghanistan, really? please. if our troops were really still fighting in afghanistan, don't you think we'd be hearing about that on the news instead of all this bull [ bleep ]? >> good morning. it is friday. it is friday, november 16th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. richard. >> good morning. >> chairman of deutsche incorporated, donny deutsch. get over it. okay? get over it. >> get over what? what are you talking about? >> all of you are in here. in washington, msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> richard's in here? >> i don't know why. i'm serious. what's going on? also, look at this cast we have today, the author of "thomas jefferson, the art of power," historian jon meacham. is meacham here? meacham, look at him. >> lots of books. >> and willie, congratulations on your newest honor. >> thank you. are you in nashvi
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